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romney lost the election, but i think he was right about the need to get tough with china. i think that would help up a lot. also, we should open up more offshore areas for drilling, produce more of our own oil, those kinds of things bring down the trade deficit a lot and create the ability to deal with our deficit more reasonably and still provide for people in a more reasonable way. >> so, jared, another area of concern is republicans are now threatening to use the debt ceiling again to basically take the country hostage again. yesterday i compared the debt ceiling -- >> when you talk about the debt ceiling you get very loud. >> i get very emotional. i don't know about that. i do get very emotional. i compared it it to physicianle c fiscal syphilis yesterday. >> i heard your rant. i linked to it on my blog. >> thank you. last time they took the country hostage, it was very damaging, i think, for confidence in our political system, the u.s. credit rating was actually downgraded. it didn't seem to have that much of an impact on the economy. what can we expect if republicans
romney lost the election, but i think he was right about the need to get tough with china. i think that would help up a lot. also, we should open up more offshore areas for drilling, produce more of our own oil, those kinds of things bring down the trade deficit a lot and create the ability to deal with our deficit more reasonably and still provide for people in a more reasonable way. >> so, jared, another area of concern is republicans are now threatening to use the debt ceiling again to...
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you know, we got seven weeks between election day and the end the year. and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. >> okay. >> it's clear he's not pleased from his ha. is the president in danger of going too far? >> no. i think that everyone is amazed that president obama is pursuing an absolutely normal approach to negotiation. people over the last two years got so accustomed to his strategy of almost preemptive concession, you know, you don't like this, i'll give you more. i'll give you more. what obama did is say look here's what i want. this will solve the problem in my view and by the way we still don't have a recovery that's going quickly enough, we still need to goose the economy some. and the republicans are flabbergasted that he's not already making concessions and all he's asking for is okay guys, you say we don't have to raise the top rate, show me how you're going to do it with all these deductions many of which by the way are popular. you want more medicare cuts show me what you want and i think this is a perfectly normal n
you know, we got seven weeks between election day and the end the year. and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. >> okay. >> it's clear he's not pleased from his ha. is the president in danger of going too far? >> no. i think that everyone is amazed that president obama is pursuing an absolutely normal approach to negotiation. people over the last two years got so accustomed to his strategy of almost preemptive concession, you know, you don't like this,...
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i was re-elected. the american people understand that we have a serious fiscal challenge in our country. we want to meet obligations to the seniors. we have work to do. we have committed to spending cuts. we need the republicans to commit to some revenue while protecting and strengthening the middle class. protect the tax cuts of the middle class and expand opportunity for success in the country, that we really work toward economic growth the right way and a partner. it's got to be spending cuts and revenue. >> what do you feel about this proposal, if you will, that's been floated out by some to deal with the tax cuts now and deal with the other issues of medicare and i bring0u$ medicae because you have concerns about co-pay and other issues that could affect a number of people, not just in your state but of course we know throughout. >> there are a number of issues facing us. i think it's very important to extend the middle class tax cuts and it's great if it's true but we haven't heard speaker boehn
i was re-elected. the american people understand that we have a serious fiscal challenge in our country. we want to meet obligations to the seniors. we have work to do. we have committed to spending cuts. we need the republicans to commit to some revenue while protecting and strengthening the middle class. protect the tax cuts of the middle class and expand opportunity for success in the country, that we really work toward economic growth the right way and a partner. it's got to be spending...
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we had an election, thomas, where americans had a clear choice and they chose and we need to make sure that we think a balanced approach that is fair, that doesn't throw the middle class under the bus and that works mathematically. so far what we've seen from republicans in the house does not work in terms of reducing the deficit. >> congresswoman, we are watching the president on our screen at the business roundtable. there was an issue with the poll microphone for the president's address so they've handed him a different microphone, the leaders inside this room can hear exactly what the president is saying but his audio is too low for us to be able to share it with everybody. we're still working on that. when we see and hear about the fact this two-step plan getting something done for the middle class by the end of the year, does this set up the scenario we live in a perpetual state of fiscal cliff loopness, this is the same old dog and pony show every six months to a year fighting over the same things and not big, bold leadership? >> i hope not, certainly if it's not left up to pres
we had an election, thomas, where americans had a clear choice and they chose and we need to make sure that we think a balanced approach that is fair, that doesn't throw the middle class under the bus and that works mathematically. so far what we've seen from republicans in the house does not work in terms of reducing the deficit. >> congresswoman, we are watching the president on our screen at the business roundtable. there was an issue with the poll microphone for the president's...
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she raised $500,000 for his re-election campaign. she's been at "vogue" for more than 25 years and they say she's very happy about the current job. the white house was asked about the report and declined comment on it. do you believe the bloomberg report that anna winter is being considered as a possible u.s. ambassador? go to facebook.com/newsnation to cast that vote. that does it for this edition of "news nation." thank you for joining us. tomorrow we have a nice show for you. pennsylvania congresswoman allyson schwartz and john yarmuth. we'll get their insight. "the cycle" is up next. begin. tomato, obviously. haha. there's more than that though, there's a kick to it. wahlalalalallala! smooth, but crisp. it's kind of like drinking a food that's a drink, or a drink that's a food, woooooh! [ male announcer ] taste it and describe the indescribable. could've had a v8. [ male announcer ] taste it and describe the indescribable. social security are just numbers thinkin a budget.d... well, we worked hard for those benefits. we earned th
she raised $500,000 for his re-election campaign. she's been at "vogue" for more than 25 years and they say she's very happy about the current job. the white house was asked about the report and declined comment on it. do you believe the bloomberg report that anna winter is being considered as a possible u.s. ambassador? go to facebook.com/newsnation to cast that vote. that does it for this edition of "news nation." thank you for joining us. tomorrow we have a nice show for...
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than in elective office. it's a real help to the republicans in the senate because he has cost them the senate. he has done more damage to the senate and most especially to republicans in the senate than anyone else. he has backed these crazy, nutty tea parties who have gutted the republican nomination for senate in various states around the country, and then he went on to lose to democrats thereby preserving the democratic control of the senate, preserving harry he reed therei. he had become an absolute disaster within his own party. the big cheer today is in the republican caucus saying, finally, we're getting rid of our absolute craziest nut. >> very good. we congratulate them for that. another thing, lawrence, that happened today is governor bobby jindal wrote an op-ed in politico and he said, at present any reading the headlines over the past week indicates that republicans are fighting to protect the rich and cut benefits for senior. it may be possible to have worse political positioning than that, but
than in elective office. it's a real help to the republicans in the senate because he has cost them the senate. he has done more damage to the senate and most especially to republicans in the senate than anyone else. he has backed these crazy, nutty tea parties who have gutted the republican nomination for senate in various states around the country, and then he went on to lose to democrats thereby preserving the democratic control of the senate, preserving harry he reed therei. he had become...
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it was very clear before the election, but we had an election. americans repudiated the republican idea. reverse robin hood economics and yet they are coming back with it. over and over and over again. i think the fact that boehner will not schedule a vote on the middle class extension of the bush tax cuts that the president wants, the senate has already passed this. boehner is under increasing pressure to schedule a vote on this and get it out of the way. once they do that, the game is over. >> nancy pelosi is trying to take care of that. she plans to bring a discharge petition to the floor of the house tomorrow. this would force republicans to openly accept or reject the middle class tax cuts. did this influence the republicans desire to release a plan? do you think this conversation in recent days about this technique that she's going to put on the floor, do you think that prompted this deal today? >> if you call this deal a plan. there's nothing here, ed. this is exactly what romney was touting. they don't want to raise taxes on the rich. the
it was very clear before the election, but we had an election. americans repudiated the republican idea. reverse robin hood economics and yet they are coming back with it. over and over and over again. i think the fact that boehner will not schedule a vote on the middle class extension of the bush tax cuts that the president wants, the senate has already passed this. boehner is under increasing pressure to schedule a vote on this and get it out of the way. once they do that, the game is over....
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jobs numbers matter a lot less the month after the election. tiny popularity issues are not the central factor here. it's these negotiations between two guys. >> ayman you're inside the capitol dome right now. what is the sense? were you surprised at the speaker's comments no progress, it was a pleasant conversation, which is a good thing, but the fact thats there's no measurable difference from today versus yesterday? >> yeah. when somebody says if washington they've had a pleasant conversation, that means we got absolutely nothing accomplished but nice to talk to the other guy. i was a little bit surprised because we had heard there was this phone call between the president and speaker on wednesday. yesterday we were told that, in fact, staff negotiations had resumed between obama's staff and the president's -- and the speaker's staff and you saw this very tight coordination of messaging between obama and boehner that indicated they were working together well. then we see this from the speaker today. but after that, the aides came out private
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we know that after the election, 60% of people said let's raise taxes on the wealthiest. what more does john boehner need? >> i don't understand the republicans' thinking on this. i really don't. this is power politics. they don't have the leverage in this situation. if they don't cut a deal within the next 30 days, you're going to see tax rates rise on all americans. you're going to see huge cuts in the defense budget. we're probably going to have a double dip recession, and until the congress then gets its act together to fix it and lower rates on the middle class, you will have the republicans essentially responsible for raising tax rates on the middle class. i can't imagine, again, bill krystal said this yesterday. i can't imagine why the republicans would want to be known as raising tacks xes on t middle class. >> thank you both. next, the president reacts to speaker boehner. stay with us. this is sheldon, whose long dy setting up the news starts with arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve, the #1 recommended pain reliever by orthopedic doctors. just
we know that after the election, 60% of people said let's raise taxes on the wealthiest. what more does john boehner need? >> i don't understand the republicans' thinking on this. i really don't. this is power politics. they don't have the leverage in this situation. if they don't cut a deal within the next 30 days, you're going to see tax rates rise on all americans. you're going to see huge cuts in the defense budget. we're probably going to have a double dip recession, and until the...
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as we learned in the election there's way to look at polls and say i see this. nobody argues when you look at polls about same-sex marriage it's going on a line toward more and more support. younger people favor this. that suggests 10 years, 20 years. everybody knows our country is moving towards this and the only question is what are the very next steps. >> and while you in your open letter i guess to bill clinton say it's time for you to apologize for what you did. doma was an unacceptable piece of legislation, distasteful then, it is beyond distasteful at this point. i'll read an excerpt. and you put it in the context of hillary running for office potentially in 2016. the two of you should be a more integral part of that pride, at the very epicenter of this. it's strange and sad you're not. >> it is sad to me. i think in hillary's case this moved after she went into the secretary of state job. there's a kind of etiquette and tradition of the secretary of state not wading into domestic political matters. i frankly -- i shouldn't say frankly. >> you're definite
as we learned in the election there's way to look at polls and say i see this. nobody argues when you look at polls about same-sex marriage it's going on a line toward more and more support. younger people favor this. that suggests 10 years, 20 years. everybody knows our country is moving towards this and the only question is what are the very next steps. >> and while you in your open letter i guess to bill clinton say it's time for you to apologize for what you did. doma was an...
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it's not just after this election. it goes back a good number of years, and it's not about some ideological i'm more conservative than you. it really is trying to figure out and marshal together those core principles that revolve around the economic realities that this country has to face. >> what's the fight about? >> the fight is about who gets to articulate it, who gets to decide and make -- >> just personnel? >> it's not so much personnel as it is personality. >> wait a minute. let's step back. i want to bring in joy. looking at it from across the aisle, i know you're more progressive, to put it lightly. here is the story. you have demint out there running a candidate against mitch mcconnell to his right, almost beating him last time around, trying to move the party to the right. selecting candidates like sharron angle and some of the whackier ones like christine o'donnell. all around the country always trying to get several notches to the right of what we have. bob bennett, not right wing enough, john mccain not r
it's not just after this election. it goes back a good number of years, and it's not about some ideological i'm more conservative than you. it really is trying to figure out and marshal together those core principles that revolve around the economic realities that this country has to face. >> what's the fight about? >> the fight is about who gets to articulate it, who gets to decide and make -- >> just personnel? >> it's not so much personnel as it is personality....
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it as a status quo election. they thought what they had was a huge victory, and they are just -- if you're flying at 35,000 feet, you see the difference between both of them here is babe e boehner is like our margins in the house, you know, we still have a sense of clout. democrats are saying we increased our clout. this offer is meant by boehner to say the first one from geithner was the white house's position was the white house budget. we could have come back with the house gop budget. we're trying to do something that's middle ground. but the white house does not believe it was a status quo election. they believe they were handed a resounding victory. >> absolutely. nbc's luke russert. thanks so much. let's get right to our panel now. msnbc contributor ari melber is with me in the studio, and democratic strategist julian epstein joins us from washington. speaker boehner today hold reporters the president is in la la land. then he presents a counteroffer based on the mythical dynamic scoring system that saves
it as a status quo election. they thought what they had was a huge victory, and they are just -- if you're flying at 35,000 feet, you see the difference between both of them here is babe e boehner is like our margins in the house, you know, we still have a sense of clout. democrats are saying we increased our clout. this offer is meant by boehner to say the first one from geithner was the white house's position was the white house budget. we could have come back with the house gop budget. we're...
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failed them in this last election. they want to pivot and make a rebrand of the republican party. those are the folks that are the deciding votes in the republican caucus, enough to combine with democrats who shorten that margin in the house to get something passed. >> an interesting note, erin. congresswoman bass mentioned another possible strategy from democra democrats. earlier told nancy pelosi tsd if speaker boehner refuses to schedule this for a vote, democrats will introduce a discharge petition it to automatically bring to the floor the senate-passed middle class tax cut. even though congresswoman bass and others have expressed opt mit optimism, when you put them in a corner, there's not a guarantee a deal will be made in the time period needed. >> that's right. something like that would certainly fail in the house because, of course, there is a republican majority there. they would pick off some republicans. i don't think you would get enough for something like that to pass. i just spoke to some democratic aid
failed them in this last election. they want to pivot and make a rebrand of the republican party. those are the folks that are the deciding votes in the republican caucus, enough to combine with democrats who shorten that margin in the house to get something passed. >> an interesting note, erin. congresswoman bass mentioned another possible strategy from democra democrats. earlier told nancy pelosi tsd if speaker boehner refuses to schedule this for a vote, democrats will introduce a...
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that's what elections are. collective bargaining. >> house democratic leader nancy pelosi pointed out jim demint was one of the ringleaders in voting down the u.n. treaty for people with disabilities this week. >> that was one of the saddest days, so anyone who was a party to that, well, i wish them well wherever they are going and hope that we can have more of our values represented there. >> it was demint and his tea party allies who pushed the country to the brink of default back in 2011. this is what demint told abc news about republicans who tried to strike a debt deal. >> what happens if -- what happens to republicans who go along with a debt ceiling increase? if they go along with the debt ceiling increase without a balanced budget amendment and the kind of stuff you're talking about? >> i think for the most part they're gone. it would be the most toxic vote we could take. >> demint's far right ideology is a key reason nothing gets done in this congress. house speaker john boehner is currently being pres
that's what elections are. collective bargaining. >> house democratic leader nancy pelosi pointed out jim demint was one of the ringleaders in voting down the u.n. treaty for people with disabilities this week. >> that was one of the saddest days, so anyone who was a party to that, well, i wish them well wherever they are going and hope that we can have more of our values represented there. >> it was demint and his tea party allies who pushed the country to the brink of...
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but, of course, most of the actual republicans who were actually elected back then were elected because they ran ads like this. >> congressman brad ellsworth said he would protect our seniors. but when he got to washington, congressman ellsworth voted for the largest cuts in medicare history, over $500 billion. robin carnahan supports $500 billion in medicare cuts, hurting seniors most. rand paul doesn't support higher medicare deductibles for seniors. conway distracts with negative ads to hide his support for obama care, which cuts medicare by $500 billion. >> that was 2010. fast forward to this year's election and the same principle carries through. each side tried to convince voters that the other guy wanted to take the hatchet to medicare. >> the biggest, coldest power play of all in obama care came at the expense of the elderly. $716 billion, funneled out of medicare by president obama >> my plan's already extended medicare by nearly a decade. their plan ends medicare as we know it. >> on medicare, for current retirees, he's cutting is $716 billion from the program. i can't underst
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you cannot have what i offered you before the election. what election? that's how the republican house speaker is playing the game this week. maybe in the world of the beltway and the sunday morning talk shows, maybe that makes sense. in the real world, here's what happened. here's the bigger picture. our economy broke very, very badly. not long ago on a historic scale. now in the real world, we are having these tiny little glimmers of recovery of economic growth. the first blue bar, that's when the stimulus bill went into effect. the stimulus kicks in and the economy starts to grow after having fallen off a cliff. that's the real cliff. just the other day, we learned our latest glimmer of growth was bigger than we had thought it was, which was awesome. the bad news, though, is that we are in danger of falling back. we are in real danger. the deficit is not the biggest problem in the country. the deficit is shrinking by hundreds of millions of dollars every year the president has been in office. to the extent we need to use debt to accomplish other goals
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his party lost the presidential election, they failed to swin the senate, the jobs numbers continue to improve, the president is adamant he's not going to concede over raising taxes. is speaker boehner now on the wrong side of history? >> well, his entire party on a lot of issues is on the wrong side of history. we don't feel sorry for him because we're making progress economically as a nation. that's very, very important. and the issues that we are going to address with this sort of fiscal cliff, fiscal slope, hill, wharf you want to call it are going to be very, very important issues. i want to clear one things up. the republicans wants to talk about deductions all the time. one of the key distinctions between letting the taxes go up a little bit on the 2% versus trying to find this money through deductions, is the fact when we're talking about capping deductions, that's something that's going to impact middle class families and middle class earners the most. and so it really is -- i don't want to make this about class warfare. it's really about what is fiscally smart for the economy
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one is new jersey's frank lautenberg who was elected in 1982, retired in 2001. then came back two years lates. senator dan coats, he changed his mind about retirement and re-elected in 2010. george allen tried to join that club but didn't make it. if you have a trivia question, e-mail us at dailyrundown dailyrundown@msnbc.com. ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's invest in our teachers so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. he's going to apply testosterone to his underarm. axiron, the only underarm treatment for low t, can restore testosterone levels back to normal in most men. axiron is not for use in women or anyone younger than 18. axiron can transfer to others through direct contact. women, especially those who are or who may become pregnant, and children should avoid contact where axiron is applied as unexpected signs of puberty in children or changes in body hair or increased acne in women may occur. report these signs and symptoms to your doctor if they occur. tell
one is new jersey's frank lautenberg who was elected in 1982, retired in 2001. then came back two years lates. senator dan coats, he changed his mind about retirement and re-elected in 2010. george allen tried to join that club but didn't make it. if you have a trivia question, e-mail us at dailyrundown dailyrundown@msnbc.com. ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's invest in our teachers so they can inspire our...
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a general election, yes. but he does have to face conservative threats in the primaries, not the best way. >> a cynical view of this -- >> sorry. it's holiday season but it's true. >> that's why we have you here. you call it like it is, my friend. that's all for us. thank you. we have to go. but i'll see you back leer tomorrow at noon eastern, 9:00 a.m. pacific joined by ben white, joan walsh, ben smith and msnbc's very own chris heys. until then, follow us on twitter -- wow, having a hard time with the teleprompter. "andrea mitchell reports" next. chris cillizza is filling in for her. good afternoon, mr. cillizza. >> i don't know what those words mean but assume they're compliments. >> $5 compliments. >> i'll take them. >> coming up next on "andrea mitchell reports," jim demint is out. the tea party leader announces his departure from congress. what does it mean for the senate and the future of the republican party? chuck todd, gop senator leader john barrasso and more. congressman john larson on what role h
a general election, yes. but he does have to face conservative threats in the primaries, not the best way. >> a cynical view of this -- >> sorry. it's holiday season but it's true. >> that's why we have you here. you call it like it is, my friend. that's all for us. thank you. we have to go. but i'll see you back leer tomorrow at noon eastern, 9:00 a.m. pacific joined by ben white, joan walsh, ben smith and msnbc's very own chris heys. until then, follow us on twitter -- wow,...
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they're very upset that their newly elected democratically elected president morsi is doing things that are not so democratic. he is trying to make it so his decisions are not subject to judicial review. at least six civilians have been killed and hundreds injured in the violence. president obama called his egyptian counterpart yesterday to express concern about the situation that seems to be spinning out of control. he urged president morsi to meet with and negotiate with the opposition. >>> and then there is syria, where nbc news reports the assad regime is preparing chemical weapons that can be loaded onto missiles. and human rights groups say more than 40,000 people have been killed in the last 21 months. we here in america are really intent right now on how we will rewrite our tax code. but if matters in egypt and syria or israel and the palestinian territories which are already getting pretty deadly and tragic and chaotic, if they get worse, the crisis about high end marginal tax cuts and budget deficits will begin to look a lot less like a crisis in comparison. try running four.n
they're very upset that their newly elected democratically elected president morsi is doing things that are not so democratic. he is trying to make it so his decisions are not subject to judicial review. at least six civilians have been killed and hundreds injured in the violence. president obama called his egyptian counterpart yesterday to express concern about the situation that seems to be spinning out of control. he urged president morsi to meet with and negotiate with the opposition....
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. >> though i wish this election turned out a little differently, i'm proud of the campaign that mitt romney and i ran. losing is part of politics. and it can often prepare the way for greater victories. >> speaking of greater victories, at the latest "washington post"/abc poll on hillary clinton, chris cizilla indicates strong support for hillary clinton. she has really i guess she's the most popular figure in american politics. >> she is at her highest popularity rating that we have ever in "the washington post"/abc poll measured her and almost six in ten, 57% of americans, this isn't democrats, this is the american public broadly, want her to run for president in 2016. now, i would say, if she becomes a candidate, i think -- inevitably she'll be seen much more in that partisan atmosphere, some of her stratospheric numbers will drop down. i would say she has been skeptical very skeptical of running. if you look at these numbers if you have any interest of being the president of the united states this may be a hard race to say no to. >> i think the rest of the political world knows w
. >> though i wish this election turned out a little differently, i'm proud of the campaign that mitt romney and i ran. losing is part of politics. and it can often prepare the way for greater victories. >> speaking of greater victories, at the latest "washington post"/abc poll on hillary clinton, chris cizilla indicates strong support for hillary clinton. she has really i guess she's the most popular figure in american politics. >> she is at her highest popularity...
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the president won re-election. this was not something that -- may have hurt the economy and something republicans blamed for. look at the numbers. terrible. not just only as a party but particularly in congress right now. you know, this is not -- this is not a long-term winning game i don't think for republicans to hold up every agreement claiming leverage where they don't have it. i think they need to find in order to do better areas they have got more public support than they seem to have on the issues. 60% according to a new politi politico/george washington university poll believes the top should have an increase in taxes. fighting the public and appear to be ideological doesn't seem to work. certainly didn't in terms of knocking president obama off. >> one thing that also didn't work in 2011 was the president ab do kating the role to nancy pelosi and harry reid. this time around, maybe because he feels he has the mandate, he's doing the negotiations straight on with boehner which i think leads to a better resu
the president won re-election. this was not something that -- may have hurt the economy and something republicans blamed for. look at the numbers. terrible. not just only as a party but particularly in congress right now. you know, this is not -- this is not a long-term winning game i don't think for republicans to hold up every agreement claiming leverage where they don't have it. i think they need to find in order to do better areas they have got more public support than they seem to have on...
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. >>> i think they won the election. they must have forgotten that republicans continue to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground, and we need to find it quickly. >> good morning. it's monday, december the 3rd here in new york city. the christmas tree all lit up. with us on set, msnbc contributor mike barnicle, pulitzer prize-winnering historian jon meacham, author of "thomas jefferson." "fortune's" assistant managing editor leigh gallagher and political analyst, former chairman of the rnc, michael steele. and i'm willie geist. joe and mika have the day off today. there's so much to talk about, but we do have to begin with the ties, if we could. it's not just mike. mike's getting all the focus here this morning, and that is inexcusable. >> could i just say, in the words of speaker john boehner, we need to find common ground here, and we need to do it quick. >> there ain't going to be any between these two ties, my
. >>> i think they won the election. they must have forgotten that republicans continue to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground, and we need to find it quickly. >> good morning. it's monday, december the 3rd here in new york city. the christmas tree all lit up. with us on set, msnbc contributor mike barnicle, pulitzer prize-winnering historian jon meacham, author of...
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>> i think the election changes that. it's pretty clear that the president was re-elected, obama care is the law of the land. >> now, of course, boehner promptly walked those comments back later that day. that doesn't make what he said any less of a fact. central to the implementation of that law is the creation of health care exchanges. now, let me explain. these aca exchanges are online marketplaces. in short, websites. the idea is to force insurance companies to play by the same rules and compete for a large pool of customers resulting in less expensive premiums for everyone. here's how it works. let's say you're one of the 50 million people in in country without health care. you're looking to get yourself covered. you'd log on to your state's exchange or call a hotline number. the goal is to shop around for whatever plan works best for you and your family. if you are living at 138% to 400% of the poverty line, that is a family of four living off an annual income of $31,809 to $92,200, then you are eligible for governm
>> i think the election changes that. it's pretty clear that the president was re-elected, obama care is the law of the land. >> now, of course, boehner promptly walked those comments back later that day. that doesn't make what he said any less of a fact. central to the implementation of that law is the creation of health care exchanges. now, let me explain. these aca exchanges are online marketplaces. in short, websites. the idea is to force insurance companies to play by the same...
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that's what this election is about. if there was one thing clear in this last election is that president obama said, if you re-elect me, i'm going to be in favor of raising the rates and raising taxes on the super wealthy in our country. and guess what, al, he won. and he won big. that's where the american people are. >> one of the things that is also a major issue is they are attacking a stimulus portion of the president's offer because for $95 a billion to extend payroll tax cut, $50 billion to fund infrastructure projects like roads and bridges. so they are not only playing games on how they are going to deal with the question of tax cuts across the board but they are really attacking the stimulus part of the president's offer. >> well, you and i both know the best way to grow is from the middle out,ç not from the top down. the best way to get this economy going is to get some jobs out there for some people and that's in infrastructure, education, job restraining. we've got to get people back to work. then, when th
that's what this election is about. if there was one thing clear in this last election is that president obama said, if you re-elect me, i'm going to be in favor of raising the rates and raising taxes on the super wealthy in our country. and guess what, al, he won. and he won big. that's where the american people are. >> one of the things that is also a major issue is they are attacking a stimulus portion of the president's offer because for $95 a billion to extend payroll tax cut, $50...
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re-elected the president and tilts the see-saw in what democrats would like in a larger revenue. >> the economy is in a different position, the president actually did sign into law a series of cuts, he's proposed a lot in his 2013 budget. it's not like he's been stagnant. we've been having this argument throughout the presidential campaign and guess what? as we keep saying, americans said we're not buying it. the conditions have changed, the economy has changed, i think the outlook in the picture has changed. that's part of the reason the president is so firm about not going back to the debt ceiling conversation again and creating that level of instability and not bending on this issue of raisings the rates on the top 2%. >> yeah. i think -- >> go ahead. >> it's an important point. i think the american people are seeing that the president has already agreed to more than a year ago to that $1 trillion of cuts. that was 100% in cuts as part of the budget control act and he's always said we need a balanced approach. we can't do it through cuts alone. he has proposed additional cuts as
re-elected the president and tilts the see-saw in what democrats would like in a larger revenue. >> the economy is in a different position, the president actually did sign into law a series of cuts, he's proposed a lot in his 2013 budget. it's not like he's been stagnant. we've been having this argument throughout the presidential campaign and guess what? as we keep saying, americans said we're not buying it. the conditions have changed, the economy has changed, i think the outlook in the...
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remember, the elect rat in an offyear election tends to be older and tends to be whiter. these guys are all about survival. they're not going to do anything that they think will make it more likely that someone more conservative than themselves would challenge them in a primary. for them it is about survival. >> what about the risks on the other side? are there risks for president obama in all of this? >> there's risk. you look at immigration, i tend to agree with democrats that he probably has a stronger hand given that republicans feel like they have to do something that he's wanted to do. but, remember, the president had his chance. he promised to do immigration reform in the first year of his first term. and he didn't do it. and he didn't do it when he had all democratic control. so he could have done it. he chose not to do it. so he's under a lot of pressure because he made that same promise again this election. there's a lot of hispanic leaders saying wait a second. you made that promise last time. you broke it. you made it this time. are you going to break it again
remember, the elect rat in an offyear election tends to be older and tends to be whiter. these guys are all about survival. they're not going to do anything that they think will make it more likely that someone more conservative than themselves would challenge them in a primary. for them it is about survival. >> what about the risks on the other side? are there risks for president obama in all of this? >> there's risk. you look at immigration, i tend to agree with democrats that he...
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>> i mean you,ed have had all of the advisers at post election conference saying it wasn't. michele bachmann put a ton of time, resources and that didn't turn into anything, as you well know. the governor has said it's irrelevant we should move beyond it. when you have governor of the party saying we should move beyond it and the top consultants on the last campaign saying, yeah it doesn't matter, you know, i think it's probably losing its significance. >> michele bachmann won the ames straw poll and finished sixth, sixth in the iowa caucuses. the other one i thought was right on, saving money to advertise in october is a good idea. turns out not, why? >> this, i think, could have the most lasting impact going forward that will be interesting to see in 2016. as you well know, the obama campaign made an early decision to define mitt romney in may and june, coming out of the primary. went right into the states, sort of framing him as a plutocrat who didn't care about the middle class, mitt romney campaign reserved time for the fall, put $20 million into the fall but he was alr
>> i mean you,ed have had all of the advisers at post election conference saying it wasn't. michele bachmann put a ton of time, resources and that didn't turn into anything, as you well know. the governor has said it's irrelevant we should move beyond it. when you have governor of the party saying we should move beyond it and the top consultants on the last campaign saying, yeah it doesn't matter, you know, i think it's probably losing its significance. >> michele bachmann won the...
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even before we've inaugurated the election of 2012, positioning has begun for election 2016. there was former florida governor jeb bush, just this week making political reporters salivate by getting about his close to the white house as he could without actually being in it. he met with a group of former staffers at a hotel on pennsylvania avenue giving a smile and a coy response when asked about his plans to one day vie to occupy the presidential mansion just up the block. then just two saturdays ago, florida senator marco rubio was showing a little leg in iowa showing this early nominating state where he broke a fundraising record for the governor there. on tuesday night, this week, rubio and another potential gop heir apparent, congressman paul ryan are looking to get their political weight up by laying out their respective road maps for the jack kemp foundation. republicans ready to turn the page are introducing their new class of hopefuls, nice and early. it's a big class. a herd if you will of elephants stampeding toward 2016. there are those whose ethnic heritage alone
even before we've inaugurated the election of 2012, positioning has begun for election 2016. there was former florida governor jeb bush, just this week making political reporters salivate by getting about his close to the white house as he could without actually being in it. he met with a group of former staffers at a hotel on pennsylvania avenue giving a smile and a coy response when asked about his plans to one day vie to occupy the presidential mansion just up the block. then just two...
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>> a re-elected barack obama back at number one. two years ago we had hu jintao so it is not automatic the president is at the top but with a kind of mini mandate, four more years and the defacto leader of the free world it is a pretty easy selection of number one. >> angela merkel number two. easy to understand. >> europe goes through germany and germany goes through merkel. >> let's talk about vladimir putin coming in at number three. >> yes. he has been on the list even when he wasn't president because we all know who was still running the show then. he's back up there with a bullet. he's been as high as two on this list. here is somebody who has a u.n. security council permanency, controls a huge oil and gas reserve, has a nuclear tipped army and wields his power very effectively. >> and loves to show his muscles. many times as possible. >> powerful in many ways. that's right. >> of late bill gates has been the rodney dangerfield of silicon valley or seattle. he gets absolutely no respect but you give him plenty. he comes in at
>> a re-elected barack obama back at number one. two years ago we had hu jintao so it is not automatic the president is at the top but with a kind of mini mandate, four more years and the defacto leader of the free world it is a pretty easy selection of number one. >> angela merkel number two. easy to understand. >> europe goes through germany and germany goes through merkel. >> let's talk about vladimir putin coming in at number three. >> yes. he has been on the...
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people like morsi win elections but winning elections is the easy part. the question is whether they can govern. the question is whether there's any tolerance for minorities, for multiple points of view. he did a power grab. there's now pushback. i think it's wrong to assume, though, that all the people pushing back are necessarily democrats. >> no. >> a lot of people -- >> but everybody is pushing back, and certainly, certainly elements of mubarak's regime are looking for an opportunity to regain some power. >> absolutely. >> you also have christians pushing back, other islamist that is are pushing back, some even more extreme. you have all elements pushing back here. but i'm absolutely bewildered as to why morsi thought he could get away with this. >> these are guys, morsi, in jail or in the streets or in opposition for their entire careers, they come into office. and why would we think that they spent all their time out of office reading the federalist papers? they didn't. they come into office and, in a sense, the only political game they know how to
people like morsi win elections but winning elections is the easy part. the question is whether they can govern. the question is whether there's any tolerance for minorities, for multiple points of view. he did a power grab. there's now pushback. i think it's wrong to assume, though, that all the people pushing back are necessarily democrats. >> no. >> a lot of people -- >> but everybody is pushing back, and certainly, certainly elements of mubarak's regime are looking for an...
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the president has been re-elected. i know he's deeply personally committed to this and we just have to regrip it, i'm afraid. >> what's gone wrong? >> it's partly because there's so much turmoil in the region right now. it's how each side views its own prospects. >> how would you characterize a credible negotiation given the fact as long as we've been alive there's been these problems that keep erupting and never, ever get solved? we've been trying for 20, 30 years. it was 50, 60 years before we got one that worked. and actually back in the year 2000, and again in 2008, you have no option in the end. the only thing that works is to make it credible if we shape the negotiations. give it some shape so that we can see this is where it's going to go. >> dr. brzezinski says that we can never sit back and lit the israelis and palestinians do 0 this by themselves because we'll be waiting forever. >> do you agree with that assessment? >> i do. because of what's happening in egypt, and then you have syria, the region is in tota
the president has been re-elected. i know he's deeply personally committed to this and we just have to regrip it, i'm afraid. >> what's gone wrong? >> it's partly because there's so much turmoil in the region right now. it's how each side views its own prospects. >> how would you characterize a credible negotiation given the fact as long as we've been alive there's been these problems that keep erupting and never, ever get solved? we've been trying for 20, 30 years. it was 50,...
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they think they stole the 2012 election. >> joe? >> let's look at the front page of the "washington post." it talks about how turkey is going to get nato missiles. i remember when your book came out last year and we did some events with you, you kept talking about the key position, it turkey would play in the world. we're seeing it now especially in syria. but now becoming more powerful force than nato. this is happening. you foresaw it. why is it happening? >> it's happening because the situation is such that we realize we need turkey and it is the point of departure for any effective, constructive or destructive solution. it's as basic as that. but we have to be aware of the fact we can't let turkey out on a limb by itself. extremely successful but vulnerable from the inside. and i can see enemies of turkey ganging up on turkey, stimulating the kurd ishii you, for example, which could be explosive and damaging to turkey's long-range future. >> and you also have a much more complicated relationship between turkey and israel now. >>
they think they stole the 2012 election. >> joe? >> let's look at the front page of the "washington post." it talks about how turkey is going to get nato missiles. i remember when your book came out last year and we did some events with you, you kept talking about the key position, it turkey would play in the world. we're seeing it now especially in syria. but now becoming more powerful force than nato. this is happening. you foresaw it. why is it happening? >> it's...
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>> you're talking about an election that just ended. you're talking about a lame duck session and a new congress being sworn in it's the new congress that's going to deal with this and there's going to be significant changes. i think the president sitting back. letting the certain players and congress kind of figure out the main details. i have no doubt to come back after the president is sworn in again, he's going to put a major push in. i have no doubt about that. in fact it's smart politics, it's smart policy. i think you've seen republicans and democrats coming to terms with that, this is something that's going to get done. my guess is it's probably going to get done in the first year of the new presidency. joe after immigration reform, most folks suspect that immigration reform is going to get done in some way, shape or, form or fashion. after that, joe, what's, what do you think is going to be the focus of this president? >> i think this president has a numb of challenges. i think his biggest challenge of course right now is tryin
>> you're talking about an election that just ended. you're talking about a lame duck session and a new congress being sworn in it's the new congress that's going to deal with this and there's going to be significant changes. i think the president sitting back. letting the certain players and congress kind of figure out the main details. i have no doubt to come back after the president is sworn in again, he's going to put a major push in. i have no doubt about that. in fact it's smart...
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it's his election victory. we all know in our own lives that presidential attention is enormously effective. i'm wondering whether you're hearing anything about how the republicans in the house are reacting at this point. >> well, i think what's really interesting is if the president does get a deal on taxes, and if we get over the fiscal cliff, i think that that's actually going to create probably some kind of war in the republican party. >> you mean over by avoiding? >> yeah, over by avoiding, exactly. >> it's a tricky metaphor. >> it is. exactly. >> like the roadrunner. >> but i think going to peter's point, i think that this debt ceiling issue will become the issue, and i think republicans will probably harden over that in the house. and i think that's really problematic because it's this on again/off again crisis thing. it makes us seem like an emerging market economy here. >> are we greece? >> our politics are becoming as dysfunctional as greece. i mean, we're not greece, but if you look at what businessm
it's his election victory. we all know in our own lives that presidential attention is enormously effective. i'm wondering whether you're hearing anything about how the republicans in the house are reacting at this point. >> well, i think what's really interesting is if the president does get a deal on taxes, and if we get over the fiscal cliff, i think that that's actually going to create probably some kind of war in the republican party. >> you mean over by avoiding? >>...